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THE ENDLESS WEB
« on: June 06, 2003, 03:01:39 AM »

Smiley Smiley
Why do all stamp collectors have reason to be grateful for "THE ENDLESS WEB"
Grin?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2003, 12:34:58 PM »

Unless I'm missing something due to the quotes, the more mundane answers might be (1) access to those elusive missing stamps???  (2) a place to seel duplicates/unwanted stamps, (3) a resource of information, etc.

A more creative answer might be... increases the value of modern used stamps since it is replacing the postal service for communication

please tell me what I am missing in the question...
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2003, 12:43:09 PM »

Howard,

Just read your reply to my Herm Island post (thanks for the info).  Obviously I am missing something between the terms "web" and "internet".  Although I consider myself a stamp collector/accumulator, the terms are interchangeable to me.  I'll have to do a quick "internet" search and see what I am missing.  Perhaps I should do my search on the wwi rather than the www.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2003, 01:03:24 PM »

Well, a search of the internet turned up (1) an obscure reference to a papermill in Herfordshire, UK and (2) the title of a medical book dealing with the fascial anatomy -- which, I believe is the protective film surrounding muscles and some organs (but my medical research experiences are in the gastrointestinal and endocrine fields rather than in the musculoskeletal) area.  Sorry, I am still missing the connection to stamp collectors.
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Re: THE ENDLESS WEB
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2003, 07:06:31 AM »

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Yes! you are missing something.
You mentioned a paper mill(possibly of importance) but failed to ask what a stamp is printed on. is it not a WEB of paper?
My question was intended to introduce the topic of the invention of machine-made paper, and , in particular,of the invention of SILK-THREAD SECURITY PAPER.
This should be particularly relevant to our members as the contract to print THE PENNY BLACK on SILK-THREAD PAPER was awarded to JOHN DIC KINSON.
Rowland Hill immediately had the decision overturned,though trials of the 1d stamp on this paper were asked for and made made in 1841.
I cannot post all the information I have as it comes from the book "John Dic kinson and his silk thread paper" by DAGNALL, but I will post a bit at a time and I will try to write an article for the newsletter.
Many of our members will have first issues printed on SILK THREAD PAPER without knowing that printed on paper made under license using Dic kinson's patents and manufacturing processes.
Can anyone venture a complete list,or even contribute the names of the countries which used DIC KINSON SILK THREAD PAPER ? I will be glad to verify.
Another reason to be grateful is that the security thread on banknotes is based on Dic kinson's techniques.
Dic kinson got the idea of silk thread paper from the distinctive
white strand on Government cordage,but this subject is not a lot of old rope!
Apologies, I keep typing DIC KINSON and for some reason it comes out wrong!No amount of modifying will work.I have spent 2 hours trying to correct, even deleting the post and starting again!Can anyone explain?
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2003, 07:22:44 AM »

Sad Angry The word will still not enter correctly. d i c k i n s o n
There must be an explanation!
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2003, 10:28:19 AM »

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Yes! you are missing something.
You mentioned a paper mill(possibly of importance) but failed to ask what a stamp is printed on. is it not a WEB of paper? [SNIP]

It is indeed.  Interestingly, dictionary.com {http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=web}lists this definition for web as its 14th entry while the 6th entry is as a synonym for the world wide web (i.e., internet).  Makes me feel safe continuing to reference the internet as the web.

Now that I no longer feel that I've been insensitive to a culture's nomenclature needs, I can devote some thinking toward silk thread paper.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2003, 10:30:26 AM »

Here is an interesting piece of information found at http://knoph.com/notes/paper/paper.html ...
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2003, 10:39:08 AM »

and another piece of trivia on this...
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2003, 03:24:54 PM »

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Cheesy Smiley
GOOD WORK!
I TAKEIT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY STAMPS WITH WORMS!(SILK WORMS)
Is there a problem with the site software as dic kinson's name is appearing as "thingyINSON" everytime on ALL postings I used small case for his name here to try to avert the problem.If it is just my pages viewing the forum it is even stranger, and I am sure you would have noticed anyway.Please advise me if his name is correct on the postings you are viewing,all postings.
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Is there a problem with the site software as dic kinson's name is appearing as "thingyINSON" everytime on ALL postings.

You are not going bonkers, Howard.  We'll have to ask Jesper (webmaster, extraordinairre) when he gets settled after his move from New Jersey to Texas.  I'm sure that it is some sort of "anti-porn" filter that the site automatically implements.  Since the webmaster cannot prevent unauthorized postings (only delete them when found), the software for the host server can scan all postings for a predetermined list of pornographic words and replace the offending phrase with something intended not to be "crude".  Alas, computers are capable of knowing when a word is intended to be pornographic and when it is simply a part of a legitimate word/name - as in this case.  I simply insert a space between dic and kinson and let the reader connect the words.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2003, 04:54:01 AM »

Tim
Thanks for the explanation and for corrections made.However it is strange thatthe name D ickinson is censored while the word you used "b onkers", which is quite rude on this side of the pond was acceptable! Grin
Up to the first decade of the 19th century,papermaking was a hand process,differing little from the craft established by John Tate when he set up the first English mill at Hertford in 1490.It still consisted of the essential processes of reducing rags to fibres by boiling in a weak alkaline solution,bleaching the pulp and then depositing it on a wire cloth suspended in water.
In 1799,Nicolas Robert,a Frenchman,had obtained in Paris ,a patent for a machine which produced paper in a continous web,but it was not a success.An improved version was built by Bryan Donkin and installed in the Fourdrinier mill at Hemel Hemstead.John D ickinson knew ot this and his first patent,1807,was a machine to cut the web of paper into sheets.Therafter followed a succession of patents including his own machine in 1809. To be continued......
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2003, 12:13:38 PM »

Tim is exactly correct in assuming that we have a (limited) set of words which are considered offensive and thus are filtered out or - in this case - a replacement is made with a "similar" but less offensive one ;-)

As Tim also hints, computers are less than perfect, they often do EXACTLY as they are told Grin
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2003, 05:39:57 AM »

Smiley Cheesy D ickinson erected his trial machine on the roof of Andrew Strahan's office. In 1809 he aquired Aspley Mill,Hemel Hempstead,by the side of the Grand Junction Canal,which provided water and power for the factory and a highway to London for his products.A very large sum of money was borrowed from Strahan and the lease of 63 Old Bailey was acquired as the London office.A great risk for a new product and a new kind of manufacture using untried machinery.
In 1810 D ickinson married Ann Grover.His wife had considerable business acumen, inherited from her banker father.As a mother she was less successful,only three of her seven children surviving.The deaths were a vivtims of her sense of duty and belief in the medical lore of the day.Anything wrong was treated with a dose of caomel,and a preventive dose every few days even if nothing wrong.Calomel is a cumulative poison.....to be continued
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